“ Judicial review of Board action with respect to a finding of parole violation is admittedly narrow and limited. Even more limited is judicial review of the Board’s judgment as to what it should do about the violation. Once the violation is established or admitted, the exercise of discretion in determining whether or not parole should be revoked, represents a very high form of expert regulatory and administrative judgment and the expert appraisal of the Parole Board in this area can he regarded as almost unreviewable.” In New York State we not only are not faced with a rule permitting counsel; we are statutorily mandated to deny counsel at parole revocation hearings (Correction Law, §§ 218, 828). ‘The concept here is that the hearing is the last of a series of steps which may lead to revocation. The information relative to violations has already been gathered by the parole officer assigned to supervise the parolee and has been evaluated by administrative personnel before submission to the Board of Parole. It is at this point, immediately before the determination is made, that the parolee is given the opportunity to explain his conduct. It is obvious, as noted by Judge Bueger
(supra), that the administration of parole requires a particular expertise and it hardly needs reminder that the role of a parole officer and his training is in the field of rehabilitation. It is highly unlikely that any but persistent offenders, those who refuse to conform to specified rules of conduct, are returned for revocation. For these reasons we believe that the courts should not meddle in this process and short of legislative fiat or direction by a higher judicial authority (cf. dissent of Chief Judge Fuld in
People v. Simons, 22 N Y 2d 533 , 545) we decline to rule that a parolee is entitled to have counsel at a parole revocation hearing or that he is entitled to the minutes, if any, taken at such a hearing. This is the same position recently taken by the Third Department in
People ex rel. Ochs v.
La Vallee (
33 A D 2d 80 ). (See, also, the well-reasoned opinion by Hoyt, J., in
People ex rel. Johnson v. Follette, 58 Misc 2d 474 .) We are not unmindful of the cases cited by our colleague, Mr. Justice Hopkins, in his concurrence here and his dissent in
People ex rel. Allen v.
Follette ( 33 A D 2d 1051 ). We point out that those cases dealt with attempts to violate or exceed positive statutory requirements and involved incidents which occurred outside any revocation hearing and could be demonstrated by records other than the hearing minutes. Rabin, Acting P. J., Munder and Martuseello, JJ., concur; Hopkins, J., concurs, with the following separate memorandum, in which Benjamin, J., concurs: Relator urges that the revocation of his parole was accomplished at the expense of a violation of due process. In particular, he protests that the Board of Parole did not permit him the right of counsel at the hearing, that he was not granted the right to confront witnesses or to present testimony, and that the record of the proceedings was not made available to him. Attached to the brief of his counsel on this appeal is a letter from his counsel to the Board of Parole, requesting a transcript of the record, and the Board’s reply denying the request. Following the argument of the appeal, we directed the Attorney-General to submit a supplementary brief with respect to the procedure in effect in revocation hearings, including the use of a record. The supplementary brief of the Attorney^General contains the full record of the proceedings of the hearing before the Board of Parole. The record makes clear that among the several violations of parole with which relator was charged was a post-parole conviction in Massachusetts of the crime of unlawful possession of a harmful drug. Under these circumstances, I am of the opinion that due process did not require the presence of counsel
(People ex rel. Smith v.
Deegan, 32 A D 2d 940 , 942-944 [concurring memorandum]). Nevertheless, I believe that relator was entitled in this habeas corpus proceeding to the record of the revocation hearing. Though the Board of Parole has wide discretion to deal with a parolee charged with violation of his parole, it does not have an absolute